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AD4351
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| Posted:4/11/2008 9:57:36 PM |
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| 2008 is here! after the dismal performance of the club and all those associated with the club, 2008 can only be an improvement. All I here is complaining and more complaining. If you think the course needs to be finalized, why haven't any of you DG made plans for a club meeting. The way the league is run is the problem, when Gerome ran things two years ago we had a good following. Were any funds raised last year by the so called league? I don't believe so. If we can't afford the $2 or $3 donation maybe we should be looking for a different job. Playing for each others money is what scares away new golfers. Handicapps are essential for a league to work. You cant expect a novice level player to donate his or her $$$ when a shark like John B. or Chad S. is involved. CTP's aren't quite the equal challenge that you would like for different levels of golfers, that being said Handicapps are the only way to score these types of leagues. All club members should be ashamed of last years performance. 2008 will be a better year I GUARANTEE THAT ( even if I have to recruit golfers for tourneys or league.) FLY HIGH & DRY.... AL DREAD
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Lee
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| Posted:4/11/2008 10:46:00 PM |
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Let me start this post off by saying I have NO personal beef with anyone that disc golfs in our area at all. I respect and thank you for all your hard work and dedication before most of us knew what disc golf was, the present and in the future.
nice positive post above. way to encourage people to participate by ripping on people volunteering their time and effort. I believe I volunteered to help out when a friend was going thru a rough part of his life. I committed to be there for league and to try and sell your plastic all voluntarily expecting and recieving no payment for doing so.To come on here and talk trash about someone volunteering not doing a good job is not too cool at all. I think it's pretty low. The club never worked from the beginning. it's understandable that we all won't agree on everything but the unwilligness of any compromise is what hinders the club's progress. I was elected "president" but it seems like everytime we all got together their was no structure or positions. Maybe this was my fault I don't know? All I know is I am so sick of this arguing than goes on every year and the previous post has soured me out on the idea of even being associated with a club.
As of right now I am done with any decision making, ideas, or anything like that. I am willing to help out with physical labor, signs, website work or anything like that.
Disc golf is about having good times with friends and enjoying being out on the course.
So I will see all my friends out on the course this summer and I look forward to having a great time playing disc golf and not arguing all summer. I will drop your discs off to John B. Al. Good luck to those involved with the course and like i stated above THANK YOU for giving us a course here in adrian and for your continued efforts out there.
I'm out
-Lee
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Brad
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| Posted:4/12/2008 12:23:03 AM |
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Good luck with the tourneys, Al. feel free to post in the forums the dates/times for whatever events you hold
I've removed club-related pages from the site, and I don't really think that ADGC will be associated with this website anymore, if it still exists. I made this website to help Adrian golfers connect, and it never was intended to be through a club. I'll continue working on the website and hope that new blood will emerge in Adrian.
We've watched you guys spend near 6 years messing with this course. If we touched the damn thing you would throw a fit, so, we are respecting your space. All I can say is that it is not getting better. Everywhere else in the USA, people are designing and installing courses in a few months -- and they are permanent so that they can begin working on other things like clearing vegetation, tee signs, maps, scorecards, drawing more golfers, etc. Why can't this be done here, I just don't understand.
You can say we complain -- but we really only ask for what has been come to be the accepted way a course is designed everywhere else.
You can say we don't raise funds -- but how, when funds are non-existant without a base of players anyway?
You can say we aren't doing our part -- I can't speak for all, but I have given much of my time creating this website, creating tee signs, bring up healthy discussions for your consideration (shot down normally), and continuing to bring new players to the course, albeit 1-2 a year. (I have a very busy schedule).
Myself and Lee will continue to reach out to new golfers by providing scheduled Monday night rounds, with no money involved.
Obviously I am tired of all this, just as Lee clearly is, and obviously I'm done with ADGC. Raising 'funds' and running 'leagues' and advertising 'tournaments' and rediculous arguments over what should be simple logic are distracting from what we should be doing - building player base. I'll continue to attempt improving the course with Lee in the least obtrusive way possible. Whatever you guys don't approve of, feel free to rip it down. Just give it a thought or two before you go into turf defense mode.
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AD4351
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| Posted:4/12/2008 6:10:11 PM |
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Lee I didn't mean to single you out. I was calling out the whole club, myself included. If a little criticism makes you hurt, no one seemed to mind criticizing the state of the course. I can handle all the critizism anyone can dish out, it's only disc golf, which is very minute in the grand scheme of things. I hope we can all improve the course, little by little. To rush things would be a mistake. Remember this is anyway county, just east of Hooterville. Progress is very slow in these parts, (cedar point 2, I-73 ) and now heritage DGC. To alienate guys with years of disc golf experience doesn't make much sense at all. Several members of the club have played 100's of courses and tournaments, if you think OUR course isn't up to par, your'e sadly mistaken, it may not have the amenities of Hudson Mills, but it's got what real disc golfers want. So in closing I don't think the club is dead yet, there is still a pulse. If you don't feel like pimpin plastic Lee, return my discs or come off of the $600.....Late.... Dread
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Lee
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| Posted:4/12/2008 7:12:20 PM |
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i don't think asking a course to be playable after 6+ years is rushing it in the least. anyways like I said I'm out so I'm not going to argue or anything and like I said no personal beef it's just not working out for me and I have no hard feelings for anyone. It just sounded like you were singling me out since you blamed the entire clubs performance and course turnout on the way leagues have been run since gerome ran them. since I have been running them that pretty much does single me out in my opinion. anyways I do sincerly all BS aside wish you guys the best and do truthly thank you for your time,$$$ and dedication. i will return your discs to either john or you as soon as I get a chance.
Peace out
Lee
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ChrisWoj
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| Posted:4/13/2008 1:41:56 PM |
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You cant expect a novice level player to donate his or her $$$ when a shark like John B. or Chad S. is involved
So why are all of your leagues singles? Down here all we run are doubles leagues, singles leagues like your own fail miserably and quickly. Those singles leagues of yours are actually surviving better than in most areas, but in general singles leagues RARELY if EVER draw any new players.
Random. Draw. Doubles. A novice level player can be expected to donate his or her $$$ when a "shark" like John B. or Chad S. (not sure who they are, apparently they're good?) is in the pool to draw as a partner.
if you think OUR course isn't up to par, your'e sadly mistaken, it may not have the amenities of Hudson Mills, but it's got what real disc golfers want.
Then where are the visitors? Where are all of the people coming in despite its relatively off-the-road location? Your course is NOT "what real disc golfers want", Al. It is a fun little place, I enjoy playing it when I show up. But it isn't necessarily something worth traveling to on a semi-regular basis unless an event is going on.
-Your design constantly changes, I've visited before only to get frustrated by the altered flow and need to search out the next hole.
-You don't have concrete pads, not your fault, but maybe the community would be more receptive to making permanent something that has been in for years and will be in for years if it isn't constantly changing. If I were them I'd be paranoid about you constantly needing new concrete pads because of your constant alterations too.
I enjoy the course when I go there, and I enjoy your events Al, your tournaments are always a fun time and all of the Toledo guys love coming up and supporting them... but there's been no reason to show up in a year now. Its unfortunate but unless you've got a tourney schedule set up or a more permanent layout (no one likes traveling to get lost) your course isn't what "real disc golfers want" to travel to.
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AD4351
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| Posted:4/13/2008 6:26:45 PM |
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| Woj what's happening, thanks for the reply. as far as the course constantly changing, that probably will always happen. The world's premier golf course (Agusta National home of the masters) gets altered almost every other year. Our sport is still in its infancy ( first pole hole was invented in 1975), I believe that the real growth will happen when private courses or pay to play takes over. The City of Adrian is who we have to deal with or answer to. They shelled out the $$$ for the equipment, and it's their property. As far as cement tees go here is a scenario, it's raining out your in the middle of a tourney and need excellent traction to compete, you got your cleats on and now you have to tee from a cement tee pad, not a good scenario. Usally cement or pavement is out of bounds. cements main advantage is low maintenance, it really doesn't belong on a golf course. That's my opinion, I'm at work right now so I may not be as alert as I usally am. I think all courses should be tweaked occaisanly, Our course right now is pretty close to being finalized, according to the cities recommendations and course guru John B. Thanks for being patient and look forward to seeing some of you Ohio cats this upcoming golf season....Discreetly....Al Dread.....
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DiscGolfDave
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| Posted:4/13/2008 10:57:43 PM |
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I have to totaly agree with Lee and Brad.Ive only been out here for 3 years and only seen 2 good tourneys and got screwed out of the last one i played.As for the couse you are sadly mistaken Al if you think that course is what golfers want, especialy if you want newbies to come out. And everytime i heard one of us locals come up with good idea for the course you've knocked it down. So if you want to blame anyone for the state the so called club and lack of people coming out to play blame yourself!!
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ChrisWoj
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| Posted:4/14/2008 1:56:17 AM |
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I can't disagree with you more, Al. Concrete, or at least FlyPads, are the way that the sport is evolving. They are a sign of permanence and legitimacy. The sport simply isn't evolving as a "cleats" sport, it is evolving as a sport for all terrain/hiking sneakers (Merrill, Bite, Salomon, etc.).
I wore cleats for a tournament this past weekend in Tiffin, Ohio. The fact was that had I wore sneakers and had they had concrete pads I would have been far better off even with the mud from the rain. Getting off a 475 foot pump on the grass is very difficult, even with cleats.
I do look forward to your next tournament though, please note that these are just some constructive views from the outside and just my opinions.
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AD4351
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| Posted:4/14/2008 5:32:49 PM |
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| Disc golf dave, I can't blame myself for lack of golfers, I was busy working last year on afternoons, I was busy making $120,000.00 last year and am on the same pace this year. John and myself didn't do much for the course last year, for which I apoligize. I am looking forward to golfing more this summer, it's only money and I can't take it with me when I meet my maker. Would you like the Heritage to be an easy course, would a -18 be a good score for you, I like hard par 3's and par 4's. 43 was the course record before on the white tees, I'm sure that score will rise this summer. Are you the former Diabolic Dave that enlisted in the Armed Forces? if so please call me, Iv'e got a disc or 2 for you, not that I owe you. We have always tried to cater to AMATUER players at the Heritage. If you want to blame me feel free, I can handle it.....Late...Al D....ph#517.902.1507
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AD4351
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| Posted:4/14/2008 5:41:58 PM |
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 YO woj. thanks for posting the constructive criticism, we can all learn and grow from constructive criticism. How is your game this season, probably under par, are you playing open now? You like cement tees, wait till you reach my age and your knees creak with every step, you will change your mind. I think the best tees Iv'e played on were the old sand box tees at rolling hills park, they required a lot of maintenance, but they had the members to do it. We would like cement tees
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manitoujohn
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| Posted:4/15/2008 6:58:43 PM |
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well brad...you were hoping the website would get some more traffic...it is nice to see some discussion going on, but can't we do it without getting so emotional...Lee, please don't take so personally...I think Al was referring to all of us, himself included, when he expressed his disappointment...it's not really any body's fault that we didn't grow as much as we would have liked, the only bummer is when people get so stressed they don't want to help anymore...i hear you bro, i too would rather just play and have a good time, and would rather someone else came along to do all the dirty work, but i'm not gonna give up yet...there's still so much to do...brad, buddy, you say some pretty dramatic, negative things about the work i do at the park. i don't think you mean it as harsh as it comes across to me, but i have a hard time not reacting to what seems like an attack. "We've watched you guys spend near 6 years messing with this course. If we touched the damn thing you would throw a fit, so, we are respecting your space. All I can say is that it is not getting better. Everywhere else in the USA, people are designing and installing courses in a few months --"... You have repeatedly voiced your opinion that the course is being changed arbitrarily...it is not! Would the course really be better if we left the tee for #7 underwater? Maybe, for the sake of not making changes, we should just leave it a 17 hole course after the city pulled #3? We wouldn't have had to move the tees for old #2/current #3 then... The first hole #8 we designed was in the middle of the wettest part of a swamp...would the course have been better if we had left that alone? would it be a better course if we left the tee areas in ruts, around roots, on slopes or in soggy spots when we have the ability to move them to an area with better footing? Would the course be better if we went back to the old design which doubled back on itself a couple extra times...i think the course flow is the best it has ever been.. . I also understand that flow is only one of several important aspects of course design. Some holes, like #1, have never been completed as was originally intended simply because there is so much else to do...again, with a lot more people, equip, and help things could have been done right the first time. On some holes the fairway we thought would be the prefered flight path goes unused, so we adjust the tees to reflect that, other holes, like #11, are fun but just aren't working out like we planned...do we really need to leave it in the water when we could move it out of there by shortening the hole a bit? As it was we made a lot of temporary decisions and other compromises, just so we could get the darn thing in the ground, so people like you could play it and love it and help nurture it while we gradually smoothed out all the rough spots...I kind of knew better, and i would almost have preferred to have waited a couple of years to plan and install it properly, just so I wouldn't have had to listen to all this crap, with barely a thank you in between. If we had had a couple dozen people working, and a couple pieces of heavy equipment at our disposal, we could certainly have done a lot more of the work the first year out, most of the changes and tweaks that are happening have been in the works since the very beginning, but as i have grown weary of pointing out, there are only a couple people actually doing anything, so it is taking a LONG time to COMPLETE the course. Please stop criticizing this work in progress as if it were a tax-paid public service venture...right now we are all you got for getting things done, and you may not want to believe it, but without us progress would be even slower, with less input from you than there is now, so, please stop treating us so... I understand that you are not alone in your desire to see the course completed, but there is a lot more to it than that. I suggest you re-read some of Al's recent posts about course design, maybe take the time to play and revisit a lot more courses, and study the history of the game a bit more. Maybe a more informed perspective will cause you to go a little easier on us. If you can, please, get beyond your personal feelings towards us. And again, as Al pointed out, this area/county/city is NOT the same as other areas...to continue to make those comparisons is offensive and ignorant! If this area were like any of the other areas you mention, we would have had similar experiences by now. How many other courses have you heard of that were purchased by a parks dept. that planned to store the equipment for a few years while they tried to get a budget to install and maintain it,?... and along come 2 guys who attempt to design, install and maintain it themselves, for nothing (with help, yes, thank you) while they still don't have a budget for it. This area proudly considers itself RURAL, and as such, progress is really slow in matters of recreation and entertainment. And lets face it, just because WE love disc golf doesn't mean anybody else sees it as anything valuable to the community...you can talk that stuff till you're blue in the face but that won't raise any money. There are a lot fewer businesses here and people in general are not that well off...disc golf isn't a priority for most of the people in this area...that is why there isn't more of a following and more work being done at the park, and that is why it doesn't seem to grow here...nothing else does either, the whole region is basically just holding on and trying to get by...so Please, let's stop blaming each other and let's try to be more supportive of each other, keep a positive attitude and move forward> In answer to Woj... "-You don't have concrete pads, not your fault, but maybe the community would be more receptive to making permanent something that has been in for years and will be in for years if it isn't constantly changing. If I were them I'd be paranoid about you constantly needing new concrete pads because of your constant alterations too."...by community i assume you mean parks dept, city officials, etc...like i said Al and I are trying to make all this happen without a lot of help from them, and most of the changes in course design have come at their insistence. In addition, because we designed the course ourselves, with no maps or surveys, in what was mostly unmowed, open fields with 6 foot tall weeds, without a clear knowledge of the terrain, mistakes were made and there were some problems with some tee and pin placements, and with the general flow of the course. Also, the wetland conditions of the course, a lot of which is located on a flood plain, are not easily understood in 1 or 2 years...simply put, it takes a few years to see the different ways the course floods and drains, as we notice patterns, we attempt to improve the course design. We have been able to correct some of these errors as we learn more about the park and the course. I don't think it would be logical to suggest that we leave something done wrong simply because some people "want" course to be "done".........................anyway, in general. all this bickering gets old for everyone, so lets all try to calm down a little and realize that we all want pretty much the same thing...to have fun playing disc golf! I will continue to try to communicate with all the various factions involved; the city hall people, the parks people, the club and certain unaffiliated groups, in order to understand and reconcile the various suggestions, demands, and opinions that you all have. PS to everyone who wants to play shorter holes...so do i...most holes were designed with a red, shorter, tee area in mind...we just haven't got around to it yet, and the city has so far resisted a third set of posts...plus we are having trouble maintaining the ones we do have, so maybe we should mark them some other way, such as the brick idea that was mentioned last year. another option would be to remove the blue tee posts and re-paint them and install them at the shorter tee area...my only objection to that woud be the amount of work and time it would take to do it. Like i said, design for most holes is ready, we just need to do the work, so if enough of you think it should be a priority, say so, and be prepared to help do the work or at least be patient while others do it for you.....let's hear it for the bunny tees...
John B
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DiscGolfDave
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| Posted:4/15/2008 8:41:51 PM |
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Al i was'nt saying i want an easier course i personnaly would prefer a more diverse course.I along with majority of golfers that play for recreatoin dont have big arms and this course seems to be more of a challenge for distance than skill.And as for helping with the course i have offered to help on multiple occasions but no one seems to want my help so i stopped offering....with that said when we moved here 3 years ago my wife and i were excited to find that there is this site and that there were people that enjoy the sport as much as us.Cudos on what has been done to the course,but there just seems to be more bickering about the course than stuff being done.I would like to talk to you in person but lost your number so if you want call me @517 442 3282
Dave
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JenL
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| Posted:4/15/2008 9:20:35 PM |
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I am an amature player and enjoy disc golfing in what little spare time seems to come my way. Dave and I have enjoyed playing at many different courses around the state. Although I am unknown to many who might read this, I wanted to put my two cents in....
First off, when I read the post about how busy you were, Al, making over $120,000.00 last year I laughed out loud then kinda got ticked off. What a pompus, rude and direct thing to say! Our family will be lucky to pull that sort of money in all of this year and next and half of the following year. So... yeah, its frusteratng to us "AMATURES" when we do gather up the funds to come out to a tournament and there are not enough people to create all of the divisions that are genuinelly required to give some of us a fair shake. I stopped participating in the pay-to-play gatherings because unfortunatly, we dont have the money to "donate" to some of you high rollers!!!
Although we dont have the cash flow to participate sometimes, we have offered to donate concrete bricks for tees and have also offered our manpower.
All of that being said; I would like to thank those of you who have put this site together. When we moved here and saw the sign directing us to this site, we were excited to think that we might be able to meet others in this area that share our passion for the sport.
Hope to see some of you guys out there this year, that is when its just a couple of average folks going out to have a good time.
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ChrisWoj
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| Posted:4/15/2008 11:53:43 PM |
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"by community i assume you mean parks dept, city officials, etc...like i said Al and I are trying to make all this happen without a lot of help from them, and most of the changes in course design have come at their insistence. In addition, because we designed the course ourselves, with no maps or surveys, in what was mostly unmowed, open fields with 6 foot tall weeds, without a clear knowledge of the terrain, mistakes were made and there were some problems with some tee and pin placements, and with the general flow of the course. Also, the wetland conditions of the course, a lot of which is located on a flood plain, are not easily understood in 1 or 2 years...simply put, it takes a few years to see the different ways the course floods and drains, as we notice patterns, we attempt to improve the course design. We have been able to correct some of these errors as we learn more about the park and the course. I don't think it would be logical to suggest that we leave something done wrong simply because some people "want" course to be "done""
The thing that I see wrong with this statement, from my experience thus far working with TADGA and dealing with the Parks Depts. here in Monroe County and Toledo is that you NEED to get a lot of help from the parks department and city officials. These people know the land better than you do, as you've stated you don't know the flood patterns.
You're far into the process with Adrian, and as it is you're coming closer and closer to a final product so you may as well continue and finish the project as you're learning the appropriate lessons. The thing is, if I were you I wouldn't try to keep those people out of the process in future course design endeavors. Your efforts in dealing with flooding and the lay of the land could have been dealt with far swifter with the appropriate information from the parks.
Al - My game is going well. I see there's a thread about course records, I'll have to show up and give it a run. Right now the only difference between me and most 1000 level players is missed 20 footers, most crucial part of the game, though, right? I'm still technically an Advanced player, but I play Open in unsanctioned events. I want to run at rookie of the year in 2009 so I'm holdin' off.
Keep the discussion flowing! Discuss ideas, don't tear down. You guys are all great, just be chili. We can all agree on one thing: EVERY ONE OF US LOVES THIS SPORT.
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rics
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| Posted:4/16/2008 6:29:51 AM |
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| I wanted to wait a day to calm down, before posting, so here I am. I notice when ever you change the course, you make it less fun for the adverage player. I understand that you can throw a disc a mile,but the adverage player can't. # 1 used to be a fun and chalenging hole. You have taken the fun part out of it. Every year I try to better my game. It is fun to try to beat my best score. You have now taken that away from me also. I broke par (twice) for the first time last time,I never expect to break it again. I have only seen # 7 under water once. You didn't have to change it. It was a nice challange to try to par it, which I was starting to do about half the time. Now I will never par it again. # 18 used to be fun(shoud I go around or through the trees?) Yoe have taken that away from the adverage player also. You will notice not many world class players live in Adrian, so why build a coruse for them. There is an advantage to playing here though. You never have to wait in line to play here like you do at good courses. Please parden my spelling. I am going to play mostly ball golf this year.
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manitoujohn
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| Posted:4/16/2008 2:02:41 PM |
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woj...sorry dude but you are WAY off...We want their help, they just don't have it to give. The alternative is to do nothing ourselves and wait for them to do things...and it takes them a LONG time to do what little they can/will. Al and I have had a great relationship with our Parks dept for over 20 years and I think we have gotten more out of them than I ever expected...if you or anyone else thinks they can get the Parks dept to do more, step up, contact them and get it done...most of what I do is done because no one else will do it...I do things that need to be done because nobody else gets them done, not because they are things I want to do. The same is true of the park geography...I have spent as much time as anyone down at the park, and I have talked to many people who have knowledge about it that I lack...I don't pretend to know everything, but I consider myself more informed than most. This area is a lot different from Monroe county and Toledo area...Deal With It!
John B
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manitoujohn
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| Posted:4/16/2008 2:34:39 PM |
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ric...please try to understand...i'm not making these changes for me or you or anyone in particular...I am only trying to do what I think is right, based on all available info/opinions/preferences...the opinion that matters most is the Parks dept's...they tell me what they want and I try to make it happen. I listen to ALL of you and then I try to do what I can to get things done. In reference to the effects course changes are having on your game, see above post about red tees...and feel free to tee from wherever you want...I am hoping 3 tee options per hole will satisfy most people, but I'm not counting on pleasing everyone...I would prefer it if you would enjoy yourself! Please realize that I am working hard, trying to make everyone happy...sorry it takes so long...it doesn't help, having to explain and defend myself...takes away some of the energy and urgency that might be better used getting things done. Have Fun, will ya...
John B
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manitoujohn
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| Posted:4/16/2008 3:52:10 PM |
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This was my 1st post from a couple days ago...I copied it cuz it seemed like it belonged here...
As I have said many times, the course is not done yet...I don't know how 'permanent' we should ever expect it to be. The city Parks dept could make a decision to alter any part or all of the course at any time for any reason they see fit. We just have to deal with it. The process of exploring the terrain and the attempt to understand and then reconcile all the various and differing opinions on course design would take a lot of time even if we had enough people working together to meet these challenges. The decisions to change things about the disc golf course are not being made arbitrarily,rather they are the necessary efforts toward the improvement and maintenance of the park. We all want it to be 'done', so let's try to co operate and help each other maintain a positive attitude about the course, so that improvements continue to be made.
Anyway, the course is back in early this year and it is playable. You're welcome! There have been numerous changes to the course design. Hole #1 has been lengthened slightly to reflect the loss of a couple little trees in the middle of the fairway. Blue tee #1 has been modified for variety. Hole #2 is completely new...it replaces the former #3, which was removed at the city Parks dept's request, and, good news, it does not have to be removed in the winter! We hope to move pin placement into the woods eventually, and we may want to tweak the tee positions, but for now, enjoy. Hole #3 is a
modification of the former #2...tee areas have been moved to the north to facilitate the new #2 fairway. White tee # 3 was lengthened to keep as far away from the sled hill as possible, and to keep the walk btw holes #2 & #3 shorter, thus further improving course flow. Pin #3 ( former #2) is in the same old spot, so it will have to be pulled out every winter due to the sled hill...I suggest we put it into old hole # 12 for winter course configuration, and we would have 18 playable? holes all year! ... So we no longer have to take the walk backwards to play the old hole #3, instead proceeding to #4 where we find new, from last autumn,tee positions ...these were changed to keep us away from the soccer league parking on the hillside and it seemed to work well. White tee #7 was lengthened considerably to get it out of the low, wet spot it was in. Last year the city Parks dept had us move tee areas for hole #15 south, across the wet spot, so we no longer have to cross that water till after we throw...that seemed to work out fine. Good idea from Robert. Thanks. Finally, Tee areas for hole #18 have been modified to improve the course flow and increase fairway options, and to get them on dry, level ground. Please don't complain ... constructive criticism is welcome, as are suggestions about tweaking tee and pin positions. And as always, we coulduse a lot of help clearing out brush and trash and such...and we will need to straighten and cement tee posts...and do a little trimming...
In regards to tee signs, we have measurements and are happy and appreciative of Brad's offer. Al & I would like to name half the holes. Let's have a
meeting at the park sometime soon to talk about it. Happy Spring Everyone!
Spin True...
John B
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ChrisWoj
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| Posted:4/16/2008 10:37:35 PM |
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John you say:
"woj...sorry dude but you are WAY off."
Which is not my fault. This is YOUR fault. I am apparently operating off of misinformation on your part. You will note that my entire post was a direct response to your statement:
"by community i assume you mean parks dept, city officials, etc...like i said Al and I are trying to make all this happen without a lot of help from them"
I can't be spot on when I'm being fed false information, but in regards to what I was responding to my statements hold water.
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